Lou Engle has spent the last few years laboring to see the end of abortion in America through prayer & fasting, launching, among other things, the Bound4Life movement and the Justice Houses of Prayer. He now believes it’s time to launch a similar movement to contend with gay activism in our nation, and he believes this movement will be birthed out of Charlotte, NC, starting with the God Has a Better Way event on July 25th.
After casting vision for this house of prayer movement at FIRE Church on July 5th (click here to listen to the message he delivered), I sat down with him to ask a few questions:
VOR: You said at the meeting on July 5th that you have a prophetic word for this region, could you explain in a few words what that is?
Lou Engle: Well I felt like I had a prophetic word for Charlotte and Dr. Brown and the community here that was, I received a prayer assignment five years ago to raise up a house of prayer, to contend with the ideological house of abortion and the homosexual agenda. We’ve raised it up for abortion, but I felt like the other day as I was praying, it just came upon me so strongly reading Alan Sears’ book on the homosexual agenda, and it suddenly came upon me, I need to call Mike Brown. I believe that out of Charlotte, a house of prayer contending with the homosexual agenda and ideology could be birthed actually creating a nationwide movement, similar to what took place in Bound 4 Life, in Washington DC five years ago, and I believe it’s a word of the Lord, I believe it’s an invitation being given to Charlotte to raise up a contending house of prayer, that contends not with people, but with spiritual principalities and powers, and actually will resist and be the high watermark, so to speak, of the homosexual agenda. It stops here.
VOR: Do you believe the July 25th “God Has a Better Way” rally in downtown Charlotte will be an important event? If so, why?
Lou Engle: I believe with the 21 day fast, that we’re calling, that breakthroughs could take place, in the community, people getting saved on that day, a divine favor shift in the high places of the government could take place, because in 21 days of fasting and prayer, because as you know with Daniel, everything shifted over the king of Persia, an archangel now had influence over the king of Persia, rather than the demonic prince of Persia. Why can’t we believe for the same kind of shifts to take place in this season of time? So I think the 25th is a flash point, at the ending of 21 days.
VOR: Why Charlotte?
Lou Engle: Because Michael Brown’s here. God uses men and raises up leaders with voices, and places them in the right places. I believe it’s also significant that Charlotte would not be like a San Francisco or an Atlanta but is actually takeable, not that Atlanta or San Francisco can’t be, but you take your lion and your bear, and you can take Goliath. I think this could be a staging ground for the beginnings of a victory of the church getting its influence in this realm.
VOR: A local journalist from a gay publication that heard you speak on Sunday was concerned by your use of what he termed “violent rhetoric” in your speaking. How do you respond to concerns such as these?
Lou Engle: Jesus Himself used .. the rhetoric of violence. He said, “From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.” He’s not talking about human weapons, but a spiritual intensity and violence against ideologies and unseen forces and powers of darkness. Jesus said, “if I by the finger of God drive out demons, the Kingdom of God has come upon you,” and he talks about attacking the spiritual strongman, which is a spirit being, attacking and overcoming them, and taking the spoil. That means that you break through the ideology, and the demonic spirit that rules that ideology, you actually see people liberated out of that ideology, homosexuals can come to Christ, be freed from their issues, be liberated, and it is a spiritual battle for the souls of the people. But never have we ever said “take up [physical] violence” and used rhetoric that Jesus uses, “I’ve not come to bring peace but a sword”. And so, that would be my answer.
Leading up to the God Has a Better Way event on July 25th (see reaction to the event here), Lou Engle will be casting vision at a meeting on July 5th in Charlotte:
Special Meeting with Lou Engle
Please join us at FIRE Church for a special, city-wide rally with Lou Engle this Sunday night, July 5th, at 6:00 PM. The Lord has deeply burdened Lou to stand with us in prayer and fasting to help turn back the tide of homosexual activism in America, beginning right here in Charlotte, so plan to join us on Sunday. We will have a powerful time of worship and then Lou will bring a message to raise our faith and vision as we launch a season of prayer and fasting leading up to our God Has a Better Way rally in Charlotte on July 25th.
So, mark your calendars for Sunday night, July 5th, at 6:00 PM for a special meeting with Lou Engle, and then plan to join us as we make history together from 12:00-3:00 PM on July 25th and be part of our God Has a Better Way, when we will literally surround Charlotte’s gay pride event with worship, intercession, the Word of God, the love of Jesus, and the power of the Holy Spirit. Your presence will make a difference!
I look forward to seeing you on Sunday.
Dr. Michael L. Brown
Location: 4323 Concord Pkwy S. Concord, NC 28027 [map]
A key court case will take place today in which the constitutionality of Proposition 8 will be decided. According to CNN:
The California Supreme Court began hearing arguments Thursday in a case that could determine the fate of same-sex marriage in the state, as well as the validity of about 18,000 same-sex marriages.
The court is tackling the constitutionality of Proposition 8, a measure banning same-sex marriage that voters approved in November.
Its opponents are seeking to have the amendment nullified. They maintain Proposition 8 alters the state constitution and therefore, under state law, is a revision that requires a constitutional convention.
The video below is from a same-sex marriage rally in San Diego yesterday: [Link To Video]
Lou Engle, founder of The Call and the Justice Houses of Prayer, provided some insight into the issue and issued a call to prayer on his blog:
Today, March 5th, one of the most significant court cases in America’s history will take place. The California Supreme Court will hear arguments regarding the overturning of the vote of the people last year to pass Proposition 8, which defines marriage between a man and a woman. If this vote is overturned, not only will it set a major precedent of the court’s power over the will of the people, but it will likely be the flash point that will determine the future of America as liberal and homosexual agendas will disseminate throughout the educational systems and into the very fiber of American culture. The California State Senate just ruled against the peoples’ vote and asked the court to overthrow the defining of marriage as between a man and a woman. Senator Leno likened the people who voted for Prop 8 to the Germans who voted for the Nazi Regime.
During these past three months since President Obama’s election, the voices of rage against Judeo-Christian values and against the church have been emboldened to use inflammatory language and pass bills and laws that are anti-Christian in their very nature. When senators use such language, persecution is close at hand. We are in a desperate moment in American history. Everyone is pointing to the severe crisis of our economy, but I am convinced it is only an indicator of a massive moral decline America has slid into. It is time to pray, humble ourselves, and rid ourselves of moral compromise in the Church. If the salt loses its savor, it is only good for being thrown out and trampled under the foot of man.
In addition to those those that will be directly affected by the ruling (as Randy Thomas points out: “if Prop 8 is upheld … what happens to the 18,000 gay couples that got state marriage certificates that recognize their union?”), this ruling will surely affect the rest of the nation both culturally and legally. As others have stated, as goes California, so goes the nation!
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Here are some more updates with regard to the Castro story we’ve been following. A woman that was at the Castro confrontation and Lou Engle, father of the JHOP movement, share their story in the video below, taken from the IHOP-KC (International House of Prayer – Kansas City) webstream: [link to video]
Accusations are starting to be made about the JHOP – San Francisco team, and their leader, Lou Engle. For example, Joe. My. God., winner of 2007’s Best LGBT blog according to the WebLog Awards, has posted an article containing the above video, and a crude explanation of Lou Engle’s beliefs, reprinted below:
Lou Engle is a pastor with Joel’s Army, a group that demands that the United States be ruled by strict Biblical principles. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:
Joel’s Army believers are hard-core Christian dominionists, meaning they believe that America, along with the rest of the world, should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law. There is no room in their doctrine for democracy or pluralism.
Dominionism’s original branch is Christian Reconstructionism, a grim, Calvinist call to theocracy that, as Reconstructionist writer Gary North describes, wants to “get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.”
Notorious for endorsing the public execution by stoning of homosexuals and adulterers, the Christian Reconstructionist movement is far better known in secular America than Joel’s Army. That’s largely because Reconstructionists have made several serious forays into mainstream politics and received a fair amount of negative publicity as a result. Joel’s Army followers eschew the political system, believing the path to world domination lies in taking over churches, not election to public office.
Another key difference between the two branches of dominionism, which maintain a testy, arms-length relationship with one another, is Christian Reconstructionism’s buttoned-down image and heavy emphasis on Bible study, which contrasts sharply with Joel’s Army anti-intellectual distrust of biblical scholars and its unruly style.
Some Castro residents have described the group that was chased out of the neighborhood as “peaceful and harmless”, but their affiliation with Lou Engle and Joel’s Army is chilling indeed. Joel’s Army is a militantly dangerous group that will settle for nothing less than the complete end of secular Democracy in America.
Let’s get the facts straight.
Firstly: Lou Engle is not a “pastor with Joel’s Army”, he is a revivalist that founded The Call, and the Justice Houses of Prayer, and according to his bio page, is currently a senior leader with IHOP-KC.
Secondly: Not only is he not a “pastor with Joel’s Army”, which according to Joe. My. God.‘s sources are “hard-core Christian dominionists”, but the ministry he’s involved with has openly rejected dominionism, and has openly dealt with the Joel’s Army misunderstanding. Consider what IHOP-KC has posted on their website in their Affirmations and Denials page with regard to these “Joel’s Army” and “Dominion Theology” rumors:
WE AFFIRM that God’s purpose is for Jesus to come back to fully establish His Kingdom rule over all the Earth. After the Second Coming, the saints will rule the Earth under the leadership of Jesus Christ when He sets up His government on the Earth in the Millennial Kingdom (1 Corinthians 6:2; Revelation 5:10 and 20:3–6). We believe that believers in this age are called to serve Jesus in politics and to help establish righteousness and justice in legislation. We do NOT have the assurance that ALL laws and governments will be changed until after the Second Coming of Jesus to establish His Millennial Kingdom.
WE DENY the Church will take over all the governments of the Earth before the return of Christ.
Explanation: some teach and believe that all governments on the Earth will be transformed by the Church before the Second Coming of Jesus.
WE AFFIRM that the army in Joel 2:1–11 was an ungodly Babylonian army that destroyed Jerusalem in 586 BC. We believe that this passage has a double fulfillment as it points to the Antichrist’s army that will attack Israel at the end of the age. We affirm that Joel was prophesying of the lifestyle of godly believers in Joel 2:12–17.
WE DENY Joel 2:1–11 describes the end-time church.
Explanation: The term “Joel’s Army” has been used to signify the people who walk out the principles of prayer with fasting as taught in Joel 2:12–17. The term has been used much like “Joseph Company”, “Gideon Band” or “David Company” to signify the people who embraced the godly qualities that Joel taught about prayer, fasting and wholehearted obedience. Paul Cain had a prophetic word about a “Joel’s Army in training,” referring to a group of people who would give themselves to prayer and fasting according to Joel 2:12–17. When used like this, “Joel’s Army” does not refer specifically to the destroying army mentioned in Joel 2:1–11, but to people who walk out the Joel 2:12–17 lifestyle. The misunderstanding comes from giving the title “Joel’s Army” to both the destroying army (Joel 2:1–11) and the group of people who give themselves to fasting and prayer (Joel 2:12–17).
Thirdly: Whether or not this dominionist “Joel’s Army” described in Joe.My.God.’s article really exists or not, I cannot say, but clearly since Lou Engle has rejected dominionism, there is no proof that he is callling for “the complete end of secular Democracy in America”. Neither does Joe.My.God. have any proof that Lou Engle or his ministry associates are “militant” in a physically or verbally violent way.
Joe.My.God. would do well to check on his facts before publishing such easily debunked rumors.